Legislature(2003 - 2004)

05/02/2003 06:00 PM House RLS

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                 HOUSE RULES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                               
                          May 2, 2003                                                                                           
                           6:00 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Norman Rokeberg, Chair                                                                                           
Representative Pete Kott                                                                                                        
Representative John Coghill                                                                                                     
Representative Carl Morgan                                                                                                      
Representative Ethan Berkowitz                                                                                                  
Representative Beth Kerttula                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Lesil McGuire                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 209                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to municipal property tax adjustments for                                                                      
property affected by a disaster."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 209(RLS) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 234                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to brewpubs, and continuing the existence of                                                                   
the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board; and providing for an                                                                      
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 234(RLS) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 25(FIN)                                                                                                  
"An  Act relating  to  the acquisition  of  teachers' housing  by                                                               
regional educational  attendance areas  and to  teachers' housing                                                               
loan  programs in  the Alaska  Housing  Finance Corporation;  and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HCS CSSB 25(RLS) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS ACTION                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 209                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE:MUNI.TAX: PROPERTY AFFECTED BY DISASTER                                                                             
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S)CHENAULT                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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03/24/03     0617       (H)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
03/24/03     0617       (H)        CRA, FIN                                                                                     
04/07/03     0831       (H)        COSPONSOR(S): WOLF                                                                           
04/08/03                (H)        CRA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 124                                                                   
04/08/03                (H)        Moved CSHB 209(CRA) Out of                                                                   
                                   Committee                                                                                    
04/08/03                (H)        MINUTE(CRA)                                                                                  
04/09/03     0867       (H)        CRA RPT CS(CRA) 7DP                                                                          
04/09/03     0867       (H)        DP: KOTT, ANDERSON, SAMUELS,                                                                 
                                   WOLF,                                                                                        
04/09/03     0867       (H)        KOOKESH, CISSNA, MORGAN                                                                      
04/09/03     0868       (H)        FN1: ZERO(CED)                                                                               
04/30/03     1216       (H)        FIN REFERRAL WAIVED                                                                          
04/30/03                (H)        FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE                                                                 
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04/30/03                (H)        <Bill Hearing Canceled>                                                                      
                                   Waived out of cmt <Mtg.                                                                      
                                   Postponed to after Maj.                                                                      
                                   Caucus>                                                                                      
04/30/03                (H)        MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                  
05/02/03                (H)        RLS AT 6:00 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 234                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE:BREWPUBS; ABC BOARD                                                                                                 
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S)MCGUIRE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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04/02/03     0739       (H)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
04/02/03     0739       (H)        L&C, FIN                                                                                     
04/09/03                (H)        L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17                                                                    
04/09/03                (H)        Heard & Held                                                                                 
04/09/03                (H)        MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                  
04/11/03                (H)        L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17                                                                    
04/11/03                (H)        Moved CSHB 234(L&C) Out of                                                                   
                                   Committee                                                                                    
04/11/03                (H)        MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                  
04/14/03     0963       (H)        L&C RPT CS(L&C) NT 4DP 3NR                                                                   
04/14/03     0963       (H)        DP: CRAWFORD, DAHLSTROM,                                                                     
                                   ROKEBERG,                                                                                    
04/14/03     0963       (H)        ANDERSON; NR: LYNN, GATTO,                                                                   
                                   GUTTENBERG                                                                                   
04/14/03     0963       (H)        FN1: ZERO(REV)                                                                               
04/23/03                (H)        FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE                                                                 
                                   519                                                                                          
04/23/03                (H)        Moved CSHB 234(FIN) Out of                                                                   
                                   Committee                                                                                    
04/23/03                (H)        MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                  
04/28/03     1152       (H)        FIN RPT CS(FIN) NT 3DP 3NR                                                                   
04/28/03     1152       (H)        DP: MEYER, HAWKER, HARRIS;                                                                   
                                   NR: STOLTZE,                                                                                 
04/28/03     1152       (H)        CROFT, CHENAULT                                                                              
04/28/03     1153       (H)        FN1: ZERO(REV)                                                                               
04/28/03     1153       (H)        FN2: INDETERMINATE(DPS)                                                                      
05/02/03                (H)        RLS AT 6:00 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 25                                                                                                                   
SHORT TITLE:TEACHERS' HOUSING/AHFC LOANS                                                                                        
SPONSOR(S): SENATOR(S) WILKEN                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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01/21/03     0021       (S)        PREFILE RELEASED 1/17/03                                                                     

01/21/03 0021 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS

01/21/03 0021 (S) HES, FIN 02/12/03 (S) HES AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205 02/12/03 (S) Heard & Held 02/12/03 (S) MINUTE(HES) 02/24/03 (S) HES AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205 02/24/03 (S) Moved Out of Committee 02/24/03 (S) MINUTE(HES) 02/26/03 0272 (S) HES RPT CS 3DP 1NR 1AM SAME TITLE 02/26/03 0272 (S) DP: DYSON, DAVIS, WILKEN; 02/26/03 0272 (S) NR: GUESS; AM: GREEN 02/26/03 0272 (S) FN1: ZERO(REV) 02/26/03 (S) MINUTE(HES) 03/06/03 (S) FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE 532 03/06/03 (S) Heard & Held 03/06/03 (S) MINUTE(FIN) 03/11/03 (S) FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE 532 03/11/03 (S) Scheduled But Not Heard 03/12/03 (S) FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE 532 03/12/03 (S) Moved CSSB 25(FIN) Out of Committee 03/12/03 (S) MINUTE(FIN) 03/13/03 0489 (S) FIN RPT CS 5DP 1DNP 1NR NEW TITLE 03/13/03 0489 (S) DP: WILKEN, TAYLOR, HOFFMAN, OLSON, 03/13/03 0489 (S) STEVENS B; DNP: GREEN; NR: BUNDE 03/13/03 0489 (S) FN1: ZERO(REV) 03/17/03 0522 (S) COSPONSOR(S): STEVENS G, DYSON, SEEKINS 03/31/03 0641 (S) RULES TO CALENDAR 3/31/2003 03/31/03 0641 (S) READ THE SECOND TIME 03/31/03 0642 (S) FIN CS ADOPTED UNAN CONSENT 03/31/03 0642 (S) ADVANCED TO THIRD READING UNAN CONSENT 03/31/03 0642 (S) READ THE THIRD TIME CSSB 25(FIN) 03/31/03 0642 (S) COSPONSOR(S): LINCOLN 03/31/03 0642 (S) PASSED Y16 N1 E3 03/31/03 0643 (S) EFFECTIVE DATE(S) SAME AS PASSAGE 03/31/03 0648 (S) TRANSMITTED TO (H) 03/31/03 0648 (S) VERSION: CSSB 25(FIN) 04/02/03 0729 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS 04/02/03 0729 (H) HES, FIN 04/02/03 0751 (H) CROSS SPONSOR(S): LYNN 04/11/03 0947 (H) CROSS SPONSOR(S): ROKEBERG 04/15/03 (H) HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106 04/15/03 (H) Heard & Held 04/15/03 (H) MINUTE(HES) 04/22/03 (H) HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106 04/22/03 (H) Moved HCSSB 25(HES) Out of Committee Meeting postponed to after floor session 04/22/03 (H) MINUTE(HES) 04/23/03 1065 (H) HES RPT HCS(HES) NT 2DP 4NR 04/23/03 1065 (H) TITLE CHANGE: HCR 17 04/23/03 1065 (H) DP: SEATON, WILSON; NR: CISSNA, 04/23/03 1065 (H) COGHILL, WOLF, GATTO 04/23/03 1066 (H) FN1: ZERO(REV) 04/29/03 (H) FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE 519 04/29/03 (H) Moved HCS CSSB 25(FIN) Out of Committee MINUTE(FIN) 04/30/03 1199 (H) FIN RPT HCS(HES) NT 9DP 2NR 04/30/03 1199 (H) TITLE CHANGE: HCR 17 04/30/03 1199 (H) DP: MEYER, HAWKER, JOULE, CROFT, 04/30/03 1199 (H) CHENAULT, WHITAKER, FOSTER, HARRIS, 04/30/03 1199 (H) WILLIAMS; NR: STOLTZE, MOSES 04/30/03 1200 (H) FN1: ZERO(REV) 04/30/03 1218 (H) CROSS SPONSOR(S): MEYER 05/02/03 (H) RLS AT 6:00 PM BUTROVICH 205 WITNESS REGISTER LEONA OBERTS, Staff to Representative Mike Chenault Alaska State Legislature Juneau, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Presented HB 209 on behalf of the sponsor, Representative Chenault. JUANITA HENSLEY, Special Assistant Office of the Commissioner Department of Public Safety Juneau, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: During the discussion of HB 234, answered questions. SENATOR GARY WILKEN Alaska State Legislature Juneau, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Spoke as the sponsor of SB 25. REPRESENTATIVE PEGGY WILSON Alaska State Legislature Juneau, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Spoke [as the sponsor of the portion of SB 25 dealing with nurses]. ACTION NARRATIVE TAPE 03-3, SIDE A Number 0001 CHAIR NORMAN ROKEBERG called the House Rules Standing Committee meeting to order at 6:00 p.m. Representatives Rokeberg, Kott, Coghill, Morgan, Berkowitz, and Kerttula were present at the call to order. HB 209-MUNI.TAX: PROPERTY AFFECTED BY DISASTER CHAIR ROKEBERG announced that the first order of business would be HOUSE BILL NO. 209, "An Act relating to municipal property tax adjustments for property affected by a disaster." [Due to technical difficulties, the first six minutes of tape are blank. Therefore, the following was reconstructed from the committee secretary's log notes.] There was a motion to adopt CSHB 209, Version 23-LS0420\I, Cook, 4/30/03. There being no objection, Version I was before the committee. REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA related her understanding that this legislation would apply to more than just a natural disaster. LEONA OBERTS, Staff to Representative Mike Chenault, Alaska State Legislature, presented HB 209 on behalf of the sponsor. In response to Representative Kerttula, Ms. Oberts indicated that this legislation would apply to a man-made [disaster] such as pipes flooding a basement. In further response to Representative Kerttula, Ms. Oberts confirmed that this legislation would only refer to a reduction in municipal taxes. [The recording begins at this point.] Number 0498 REPRESENTATIVE KOTT moved to report [CSHB 209, Version 23- LS0420\I, Cook, 4/30/03] out of committee with individual recommendations and the accompanying fiscal notes. There being no objection, [CSHB 209(RLS)] was reported from the House Rules Standing Committee. The committee took a brief at-ease. HB 234-BREWPUBS; ABC BOARD CHAIR ROKEBERG announced that the next order of business would be HOUSE BILL NO. 234, "An Act relating to brewpubs, and continuing the existence of the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board; and providing for an effective date." Number 0613 REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL moved to adopt CSHB 234, Version 23- LS0862\X, Ford, 4/30/03, as the working document. There being no objection, Version X was before the committee. REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ objected and inquired as to the difference between Version X and [CSHB 234(FIN)]. CHAIR ROKEBERG pointed out that Section 2 of CSHB 234(FIN) regarding peace officer powers eliminated the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board's (ABC) authorization to investigate violations of laws against prostitution and gambling on [premises licensed under] Title 4. There seems to be some question with regard to what the Department of Public Safety (DPS) and the ABC Board want. Although this matter was discussed at length in the House Labor and Commerce Standing Committee, the language was taken out in the House Finance Standing Committee. He explained his belief that the law enforcement agencies of the state have better things to do than enforce laws relating to prostitution and gambling on licensed premises. The ABC investigators should, in the course of their activity, be in a position to enforce laws relating to prostitution and gambling in licensed premises because there is a direct relation between the aforementioned activities and the activities of a licensee under Title 4. CHAIR ROKEBERG, in response to Representative Berkowitz, clarified that [under CSHB 234(FIN)] the activities the ABC investigators can investigate are limited and thus he wanted to return to the current statute under which ABC investigators are able to [investigate/enforce prostitution and gambling]. Number 0792 REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ withdrew his objection. CHAIR ROKEBERG specified that the remainder of Version X essentially remains the same. REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA inquired as to the department's thoughts on the matter. Number 0856 JUANITA HENSLEY, Special Assistant, Office of the Commissioner, Department of Public Safety, informed the committee that DPS requested that the provision to take away [the ABC Board's authority with regard to] prostitution and gambling be included in the legislation. This was requested so that the ABC investigators would refocus on alcohol investigation. If the ABC investigators see prostitution or gambling going on in an establishment, then they should contact local law enforcement agencies. Ms. Hensley noted that DPS would continue to work with the ABC investigators, even without the provision. REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ related his understanding that DPS wants the provision to be included in the legislation. MS. HENSLEY clarified that DPS had requested that peace officer powers of investigating gambling and prostitution be removed from the ABC investigators. However, Version X allows the ABC investigators to continue to investigate prostitution and gambling. At this point, it doesn't matter to DPS, she said. REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ asked if there are concerns with regard to peace officer safety or is this a resource issue. Number 0969 MS. HENSLEY pointed out that through one of the recent executive orders the ABC Board is being placed in DPS. One of the recommendations of the Joint Committee on Legislative Budget and Audit's sunset audit of the ABC Board was that the ABC investigator's work time should be refocused on enforcing alcohol laws while enforcement of gambling and prostitution should be left to the regular police powers of the state. The DPS agreed with the aforementioned and if ABC investigators do see prostitution and gambling in an establishment, DPS or any other law enforcement agency in the area should assist in those investigations. Version X gives the ABC investigators the power to investigate prostitution and gambling, and DPS would continue to work with them and further investigate. Ms. Hensley mentioned that there will be times in which prostitution and gambling are a vice issue that can be handled in conjunction with the ABC investigators. REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ inquired as to the percentage of an ABC investigator's time spent investigating prostitution and gambling as opposed to alcoholic (indisc.) infractions. MS. HENSLEY said she couldn't answer that. REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ said that he didn't recall prostitution or gambling ever coming through the ABC Board. He expressed curiosity as to why Chair Rokeberg wants Version X because the audit, the department, and the governor want CSHB 234(FIN). CHAIR ROKEBERG pointed out that the audit specifies that the ABC Board [wants to maintain its powers with regard to prostitution and gambling]. Number 1126 REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA highlighted that the ABC Board didn't obtain these powers until 1999. She also highlighted that the audit says that the issue has been that the ABC investigators "are ex-police officers who would like to carry guns and investigate other crimes, in fact they seem to be intensively preoccupied with the topic". Furthermore, the problem hasn't really been alcohol control. She noted that there are already officers that investigate prostitution and gambling in Alaska and thus she characterized [DPS's authority to investigate prostitution and gambling] as a duplication of services. Number 1173 CHAIR ROKEBERG noted his disagreement with the audit and recommended maintaining the status quo while reviewing how the transition [of the ABC Board to DPS] goes. REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ mentioned the duplication of service issue. He related his experience that when law enforcement officers make decisions about how they want their organization organized it's best to defer to their wishes. He noted his willingness to return the peace officer power provision in the legislation and indicated that perhaps the discussion would be held on the House floor. CHAIR ROKEBERG inquired as to the department's position on Version X. Number 1273 MS. HENSLEY reiterated that DPS made the recommendation, jointly with the governor's office, for this provision. However, DPS is willing to work with the ABC investigators to fulfill the provisions under Title 4 whether gambling and prostitution is included or not. With regard to the notion of there being a duplication of service, Ms. Hensley pointed out that the ABC investigators would be in a position to notify the local law enforcement agency and work jointly with it with regard to gambling and prostitution. CHAIR ROKEBERG requested that Ms. Hensley provide information with regard to the amount of time that DPS allocates to gambling and prostitution investigation in the context of their entire scope of work. Chair Rokeberg suggested that the time would be small. CHAIR ROKEBERG, upon determining no one else wished to testify, closed public testimony. Number 1403 REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ moved to report CSHB 234(FIN), Version W, out of committee with individual recommendations and the accompanying fiscal notes. CHAIR ROKEBERG objected. A roll call vote was taken. Representatives Kott, Morgan, Berkowitz, and Kerttula voted in favor of reporting CSHB 234(FIN) from committee. Representatives Coghill and Rokeberg voted against it. REPRESENTATIVE KOTT, upon the announcement that the vote was 4- 2, said that he wanted to change his vote to be against reporting CSHB 234(FIN) from committee. The committee took an at-ease. [Due to technical difficulties the following motion wasn't recorded on tape.] Number 1504 REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ moved to report CSHB 234, Version 23- LS0862\X, Ford, 4/30/03, out of committee with individual recommendations and the accompanying fiscal notes. There being no objection, CSHB 234(RLS) was reported from the House Rules Standing Committee. SB 25-TEACHERS' HOUSING/AHFC LOANS CHAIR ROKEBERG announced that the final order of business would be CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 25(FIN), "An Act relating to the acquisition of teachers' housing by regional educational attendance areas and to teachers' housing loan programs in the Alaska Housing Finance Corporation; and providing for an effective date." REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ moved to adopt HCS CSSB 25, Version W, as the working document. REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ objected for discussion purposes. Number 1542 CHAIR ROKEBERG pointed out that Version W on page 2, line 10, has deleted "administrator" and inserted "principal". He explained that the prior version included a provision requiring that nurses working at least 80 hours a month would qualify for this loan program. However, [Version W] requires that the [nurses] would have to be full-time employees. CHAIR ROKEBERG related that the idea behind this legislation is to provide incentives for hiring new teachers, counselors, principals, and nurses. The rationale behind changing "administrator" to "principal" is that many administrators have very high salaries and thus don't need the additional benefit provided by this legislation. Furthermore, the change helps restrict the scope of eligible people. He acknowledged that there was an issue regarding whether a nurse could work on a part-time basis and qualify for this program. However, Chair Rokeberg reminded the committee that the legislation intends to recruit and retain teachers and nurses, and therefore he didn't believe the legislation would be best served by including part- time employment. By allowing AHFC to develop the eligibility regulations, the nurses association could provide information with regard to peculiar work hours [that need to be accommodated]. Number 1704 REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ asked if "principal" and "administrator" are defined terms. He inquired as to what would happen if someone was an acting principal or a vice principal. He then turned to the language on page 2, line 14, which specifies that only one loan per borrower can be made, and asked if that means once in a lifetime. He pointed out that teachers and principals in rural Alaska may move from one district to another. CHAIR ROKEBERG related his belief that the intention is [for the program] to be similar to the VA loan program in which there is a one-time use. REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL interjected that when the Alaska Housing and Finance Corporation (AHFC) was before the House Health, Education and Social Services Standing Committee the indication was that this offer could only be used once. CHAIR ROKEBERG returned to the change from "administrator" to "principal" and explained that the intent was to narrow the field of eligible people. He wasn't aware of a statutory definition for either. REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA pointed out that vice principals wouldn't be included and she noted her discomfort with that. CHAIR ROKEBERG suggested that the term "principals" could be used or "vice principals" could be specified. REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ recalled that schools have a peculiar situation in which people providing support for a principal might not be eligible for one of these loans, although the principal would. CHAIR ROKEBERG reminded everyone that the original intent is to help the recruitment of teachers and thus the scope should be narrowed because those receiving high levels of compensation don't need help. Chair Rokeberg said that he wouldn't object to including "assistant principals". REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL pointed out that the legislation requires that the individual be certificated and thus the individual would have to be a teacher. He also pointed out that there will be schools in which the administrators hold class. Therefore, having the "certificated" language would seem to serve the purpose. REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA remarked that administrators in rural Alaska often function as a teacher and administrator. REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ returned to Representative Coghill's point that this legislation seems to focus on those who are certificated and work in the school. Therefore, a list wouldn't be necessary, he said. CHAIR ROKEBERG noted that there is a definition of teacher. He expressed concern with people who earn $100,000 a year getting a deal. REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ reiterated that a list isn't necessary and the problem could be addressed by inserting a period after "certificated". Number 1959 SENATOR GARY WILKEN, Alaska State Legislature, speaking as the sponsor of SB 25, explained that the purpose of SB 25 was to create something that Alaska could offer to attract teachers. The ability to utilize this benefit is limited to someone in the school. Senator Wilken expressed his preference for specifying principal and vice principal. However, he agreed that merely referring to certificated individuals would serve the same purpose. CHAIR ROKEBERG said that he didn't object to [including] vice principals. However, he reiterated his concern with regard to using the language "administrator" because of their high salaries. SENATOR WILKEN remarked that limiting this benefit to those inside the school would seem to eliminate those he considered to be an administrator. However, he noted his agreement with deleting the "administrator" language. CHAIR ROKEBERG agreed with Representative Kerttula's earlier testimony that some school employees could wear more than one hat. REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA asked whether those wearing multiple hats would clearly qualify for this when one of those hats is a teacher in some capacity. CHAIR ROKEBERG said he believes so. REPRESENTATIVE KOTT interjected that those certificated as a teacher would qualify. CHAIR ROKEBERG said that he wouldn't object to adding the "assistant principal" language. SENATOR WILKEN suggested that "principal" could be defined in regulation. Number 2097 REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA asked if all teachers are classified as full-time. CHAIR ROKEBERG said that there is a statutory definition of a full-time teacher. REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA related that she wanted to be sure that [the definition] included regular teachers. She said that she could double-check before the legislation goes to the floor. CHAIR ROKEBERG remarked that the intent is for the statutory definition of a full-time teacher to be controlling. SENATOR WILKEN thanked Representative Wilson for making this legislation better. He further thanked Chair Rokeberg from whom he took this legislation. CHAIR ROKEBERG informed the committee that AS 14.25.220 specifies: (19) "full-time teacher" means a teacher occupying a position requiring teaching on a regular basis for the normal work period per day or week at a teaching assignment, excluding teaching as an assistant or graduate assistant or teaching on a substitute, temporary, or per diem basis; Number 2235 REPRESENTATIVE KOTT moved that the committee adopt Conceptual Amendment 1 to page 2, line 10, after "or", insert "assistant principal". There being no objection, Conceptual Amendment 1 was adopted. REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA expressed concern with regard to increasing the requirement from 80 hours to full-time. She related her understanding that often in rural Alaska flexible hours are allowed in order to [recruit and retain] nurses. REPRESENTATIVE PEGGY WILSON, Alaska State Legislature, speaking [as the sponsor of the portion of the legislation dealing with nurses], noted that in several areas two people work part-time to fill a full-time slot. In response to Chair Rokeberg, Representative Wilson explained that such [job sharing] is done because a parent wants to do so while in other instances an individual might be retired [and only wants to work part-time]. CHAIR ROKEBERG pointed out that the intent of the legislation is to provide a bonus in order to entice people into the nursing profession. REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA remarked that nursing is a stressful job and many nurses are women, many of whom have families. Offering flexible hours has helped get nurses into rural Alaska, she said. She expressed concern with regard to increasing [the requirement] to full-time. REPRESENTATIVE WILSON said that she didn't want to lose the inclusion of the nurses in this legislation [over the full-time requirement]. Number 2360 REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ related his understanding that there isn't a requirement that the nurse work full-time but rather that there are regulations determining [whether the nurse is working full-time]. CHAIR ROKEBERG clarified that his intent was for the determination to be developed such that it's flexible and recognizes real life situations. Chair Rokeberg noted that the House Health, Education and Social Services Standing Committee changed the title and thus there is already a title resolution for the legislation. REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ moved to report HCS CSSB 25, Version W, as amended, out of committee with individual recommendations and the accompanying fiscal notes. TAPE 03-3, SIDE B There being no objection, HCS CSSB 25(RLS) was reported from the House Rules Standing Committee. ADJOURNMENT There being no further business before the committee, the House Rules Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 6:47 p.m.

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